
Joshua offered to try making some bread. I was happy to be relieved of the experimentation process! "At least when his bread falls in the oven I won't be the one who's disappointed." Ha!
I was sure his efforts were doomed when he said he was going to use our regular bread recipe -- the one I'd made twice since our move and had absolute failures both times!
However, Joshua decided to use half unbleached white flour and half whole wheat flour in the recipe. He also upped the oven temperature from 350 to 375. (Still don't have a thermometer -- due to ice and snow we've only driven the car once in the past 11 days -- and that was to work!)
To my surprise, his bread turned out wonderful. It rose so high it hit the heating element at the top of the oven. It was soft, the texture was perfect, and it didn't fall one bit. ??!! Just like our bread is supposed to be... except for the all-purpose flour.
So, the mystery continues. If nothing else, we've reached a compromise. :)
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so what is the problem here in Alabama
Tammy,
I am having the same problem baking your recipe here in Alabama (usually high humidity). The bread is not as light and airy as yours although the flavor is wonderful. Do you let your bread rise first in the bread machine? Also do you roll your bread out to make it in a loaf. I have got to get to the health food store and get some gluten and see if that helps. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Rebekah
I do the first rise in the
I do the first rise in the bread machine. To shape the loaf, I sort of knead it into a log. That's how my mom does hers so that's where I learned that method..
I think gluten makes a big difference! Adding some extra gluten (there's already some in the flour, of course) makes the dough softer and more elastic. I always add extra gluten when using whole wheat flour -- about 1 T per cup of flour as a general rule...
Bread
Maybe it WAS just your oven temperature.. I know my oven is way too hot so I've had to set it at 320* for it to be 350*..... But maybe you could just be relieved of the duty of breadmaking and let Joshua make it all the time. haha
bread
How do you get your bread to slice without falling all apart? I usually make such a mess with mine I don't even bother using it for sandwiches.
Electric knife and dough conditioners
I do have an electric knife, which is fabulous for slicing bread! We also use dough conditioners in our wheat bread. The dough conditioners help boost the yeast, make the dough elastic, and keep it soft. Joshua wrote an article about dough conditioners here!
I'm glad
I am glad that you found something to work. You're bread is always delious. I got a loaf from your parents for Christmas.
Aunt Teresa
bread recipe
Hi Tammy,
I have been observing the bread discussion here, but never sent you our recipe. We live about 2 hrs south of you, in Centralia. ("central" between Seattle and Portland). My mom developed a 100% whole wheat bread recipe that we have used for years:
Jane's Best Whole Wheat Bread
4 c. warm water
3/4 c. oil
1 c. honey
1 tsp. salt
2-3 tblsp yeast
12-16 c. freshly milled whole wheat flour
1 c. butter, softened
Combine water, oil, honey, and salt together in large mixing bowl. Add a few cups of flour, then the yeast. Mix well, then let rest for a few minutes to get the yeast bubbling. Continue to add flour until it's a good consistency (amount depends on the weather - I've been told cloudy overcast days are the best for breadbaking!) Work in the butter before the last few cups of flour. Knead, rise, shape, rise again, and bake at 350* for 35-45 minutes.
We enjoy this dough turned into rolls as well. We bake the rolls at 375 for about 20 minutes or until done.
The above recipe is how my mom makes it. I have come up with my own rendition of it, I posted the recipe on my blog here:
http://homesteadnutrition.blogspot.com/2008/12/soaked-wheat-bread.html. I like my version even better, but perhaps I'm just prejudiced! ;-) It must be good though because last weekend we had a family over for dinner and one of their boys ate a dozen rolls by himself! :-)
Hope this is helpful to you. Welcome to WA! I think you brought some of your Buckeye weather with you! ;-)
Thanks! I'll try it! :)
Thanks! I'll try it! :)
Bread falling apart....and white flour needed here too.
We have high humdity here too. If I don't use regular flour, mine doesn't turn out well either. I put 1/3 c white flour for each loaf and it turns out well.
For the poster who says theirs crumbles: The person who started me in wheat bread only makes it for company. When she gave me her bread it crumbled real bad and we could not slice it either without it breaking up and you could not fold it over for a half sandwich. When I asked an experienced bread maker to try it, she told me the gluten was not properly developed. So maybe you could try kneading it a little longer. Just a thought.
Gluten
I recently made a batch of bread and it was the first time I succeeded so well in making a fluffy and super-high loaf. It was also the first time I made it 100% whole wheat. AND the first time I added gluten. Soooo, I'm guessing the gluten had a lot to do with helping it rise so well. Maybe you could try adding gluten to your recipe?
How much extra gluten did
How much extra gluten did you add, and what kind of flour were you using? :)
WW
I was just using a plain store-brand whole wheat flour, as I (unfortunately) don't have a mill yet. As for the gluten... I didn't measure! I'm bad for that. =P Sorry that I'm not much help for that! I read above that you already do add gluten... I wonder if you should try adding more? I know how frustrating it is not to have your bread turn out nicely, hope you get it figured out soon!
yes
i've heard that a lot. If you use whole wheat you need to use gluten...i do 1 c bread flour and 2 c wheat so i haven't tries it myself yet.
Is it possible that altitude
Is it possible that altitude has something to do with it?
milk in bread
Since we don't drink much milk I never have fresh milk on hand so I like to buy the dry milk. Can I substitute dry milk in your recipe? If so, how much?
Thanks,
Joan
Never tried it myself, but
Never tried it myself, but you should be able to substitute reconstituted dry milk for the milk in the recipe! :)
Would like
Could you maybe have more polls? I really enjoy them.
Jennifer
I love King Arthur flour! I didn't know they had a website and blog, will have to look into that.
Dry milk
Tammy,
I just thought I would let you know that dry milk can be used in making bread. The amount depends on how much milk the recipe calls for. Instead of making the milk up you add the powder to your flour and add however much water for the amount of milk needed. Does that make sense???? We use powdered milk for all our baking needs as it is just too far to TOWN to get milk. Our village carries it but with the price being $6.99 for a gallon and $5.20 for 5 lbs of white flour we do not shop here unless it is an emergency!! TOWN is 60 miles away so we try to keep our trips to once a month. Now we do have a couple of guys who work for my husband who we sometimes have bring milk down on our off weeks but I don't like to be an imposition so we try to keep it to a minimum.
I am so happy to hear that you are adjusting and there has been successful bread!
Take care now!
bread baking
i think you are on the right track with assuming the humidity is the issue. i learned to bake my fresh ground ww bread in a moderately humid place and was told never to bake when it was raining. how does a girl do THAT in seattle?? ;-D
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