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Slicing my way through more bread experimentation

Fluffy top...

I love homemade bread. As disappointed as I was over my recent bread recipe failures, I was not about to give up. I read everyone's ideas and advice and promptly started another loaf. !! :)

Angel lives not so very far from us, and her bread looks so very delicious! I tried her recipe, following it exactly except for the orange juice which I didn't have (I added a small pinch of citric acid instead).

That bread didn't fall in the oven, but it didn't really rise much either. I loved the flavor and taste (I love homemade bread!) but it tasted like, well, like how someone would probably expect homemade 100% whole wheat bread to taste.

As I was toasting the last slice, I said to Joshua, "You know, this bread isn't bad. In fact, it's really good. But it's NOT like my bread in Ohio was."

So, I kept reading and looking. I came across a blog called Cooking For Seven and was mesmerized by her photography. Oh, I really need to figure out the lighting here. I can't exactly take a plate of food to photograph out on the deck when it's raining. And I guess it rains all Spring and Fall here in Seattle, and all Winter too, except for when it's snowing. Anyway.

Bottom of the slice

Cooking For Seven's whole wheat bread recipe looked really yummy, and I figured, why not? I'll be making a loaf of bread every-other-day until I get this figured out, so I might as well keep trying new recipes. :)

I followed that recipe, minus the optional ingredients, decreasing the water by a couple tablespoons and increasing the 1 tablespoon of gluten to 4 tablespoons (on the recommendation from Noah).

This is the loaf I pulled from my oven. Much more promising than any of the others. Inside, the texture was closer to what I'm looking for. I thought the bread tasted too salty though, and it was still a little dense.

I tried the recipe again today, decreasing the salt to 1 teaspoon and increasing the yeast to 2 teaspoons. I thought the resulting loaf was an improvement.

Now, I'm still trying to figure out how to get the loaf more consistent in texture/denseness from top to bottom. The top half of my slices of bread are great -- airy, light, soft. But by the bottom of the slice, it is very dense. too dense, in my opinion. And I still don't think these loaves are as high as they should be. And, there's still some sinking in the oven. (I know it didn't rise too much.)

So what would give the bread the strength to hold up a lighter texture throughout the whole loaf, even closer to the bottom? :)

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simplybrandy's picture

Hmmmm. . .

I don't have an answer to your question, but I was thinkig. . . maybe your bread texture will improve as you get more yeasty friends living in the air at your new place. I know my bread does better when I bake often.

Seems like I read in the foxfire books that in old Appalachia, people just counted on the yeast in the air of their homes to make bread rise. Much like sourdough, I suppose. And they probably baked as often as you do.

Glad to see you're making progress!

Angel here, hmm mine rises

Angel here, hmm mine rises pretty well. I turn the oven on and leave it until its nice and fluffy, no specific time.
Maybe try it again with the OJ?

Did your yeast maybe not like changing climates and humidity? Have you tried buying fresh yeast?

Also you know what I just remembered, since it started snowing I've been adding in an extra 1/2 teaspoon of yeast.
My pizza dough turned out kinda wonky too this week.

lightbox

This is a website I read a long time ago that tells how to make an inexpensive lightbox.
http://www.rudecactus.com/2007/09/heres_what_youre_going_to.html

Bread Questions?

I was wondering if you are using a bread machine or baking in the oven? Also, are you grinding your wheat or buying flour? Those things would make a big difference and since I no longer use my bread machine (never could get it right) and grind my own wheat (much lighter, softer loaves). I am guessing that if you are making one loaf at a time, you are probably using a bread machine. I never got mine to make a nice loaf of bread! Always pretty dense and didn't rise much. Since I have been grinding my own wheat, I have been making 4 loaves at a time and freezing them, so I just bake in the oven and they turn out beautiful every time. With the freshly ground wheat they are light and soft and so much different than any whole wheat bread I had ever made before. I hope you get this worked out so you can make bread that makes you happy! Baking bread always makes me happy!

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I use the bread machine on

I use the bread machine on the dough cycle; then I shape the loaf, let it rise, and bake in my oven. I can make dough for 1-2 loaves in my bread machine. (Probably not "allowed" but I do it anyway!)

I grind my own wheat, which we brought with us. I usually use the prairie gold hard white wheat for our regular bread...

We went through the whole trouble-shooting process in Ohio and our bread was really, really yummy (light, fluffy, soft for several days, etc...). That same recipe here in Seattle completely bombed on me!! So I'm starting over again. :)

Angel again, I do use hard

Angel again,
I do use hard red wheat, the one time I tried hard white I was so dissapointed that I still have the 5 lb bag of white what in the pantry LOL

Gluten

I am wondering if your bread machine isn't working the dough enough to get the gluten activated now that you are in a different climate. I always notice a change in how my bread rises when the weather changes here, and in the summer I use a much shorter rise time. Perhaps the mixing of all purpose with the wheat was just enough to make the difference. Any way you can get your bread machine to knead the dough for longer? That might solve your problem so you can use all whole wheat flour. Also, I use half hard red and half hard white wheat and really love the balance.

Good book for whole wheat breads

Tammy,
A long time back I bought a copy of The Laurel's Kitchen Bread Book, which has lots of recipes for all whole grain breads. One of the things she says for whole wheat doughs, is that it takes longer to develop the gluten so that it can effectively trap the carbon dioxide bubbles that the yeast produces. Most of the recipes call for kneading the dough for about twice as long as most white bread recipes, and also call for an extra rise. You might see if your local library has the book or can get it interlibrary loan. It's very good reading, even if you don't make any of the recipes. I like the Overnight Started Bread the best.

Jenny

Bread

I read a blog written by a woman that lives in Stevenson WA. She has posted a bread recipe that she uses and it might work for you. I've never fixed this recipe so I can't tell you how it is, but it may work for your elevation.

http://www.thefamilyhomestead.com/breadmaking101.htm

Beth

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