A question on my post about long-term food storage:
Do you use this stockpile method for economic reasons, or because of the chance of problems in the world (famine, shortages, war)?
I've just recently started making my own rolls and biscuits; someone like me would be in trouble. It's something to think about. What does everyone else think of this?
While buying food in bulk definitely has economic advantages, it definitely goes beyond mere "saving money" for me.
Many Americans are guilty of assuming that the grocery store will always have enough on the shelves, or that it will always be easy to get there every week and purchase food. Going to the grocery store and buying food (or even having the money to buy food!) is not a guarantee -- even if we've been able to do it all of our lives and can't imagine something different.
Let's think about our basic needs as humans:
Food and water. Clothing. Shelter.
We're talking about what people need to stay alive. Food and clean drinking water are both absolutely essential to staying alive... so why would anyone not want to keep some stored ahead?! Are we willing to rely on the grocery store so heavily that if they're out of food, we starve?
I'm not suggesting that a person go overboard, stockpiling more than they could ever use. Obviously, food storage needs to be researched (to be done correctly, avoiding insect infestations, moisture, etc.) and then diligently cared for by rotating stock (using the oldest first). Spending money on something that you won't eat and/or will spoil before you're ready to use it certainly isn't worth the time and money!
I'm not ready to make any predictions about possible future events like food shortages, but to me, it just makes good sense to be a little more prepared -- especially when it means I can buy in bulk and save money, too! :)
I'd love to have some more reader input on this topic! Like I mentioned in my other post, our previous long-term (more than 12 months' storage time) food storage items were given to us -- so I got started without having to decide to. ;) Only recently, as some of our supplies have gotten low, have I decided to research and prepare a little more.
In some ways, having extras on hand (even of food!) is a challenge for me. We live in a relatively small house. I do keep the clutter/STUFF under control, but I also like to have neat and tidy shelves, not-over-crowded cupboards, etc... which can be difficult to maintain with a lot of food to store. Buckets really make it easier to store the bulk grains like oats and wheat! :)
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I have a little storage, not
I have a little storage, not much. I must say I don't like the idea of all this money on a shelf...I have given up thinking I should buye in bulks or many of a sort because low prices...I do not want my money to sleep in cupboards!
It is another way to deal with my money. I do not want to invest in things I do not need at the moment. After many years of dealing with a very small budget and doing wonders with it, I came to that conclusion.
Money on the shelf
Here's a thought-provoking article about putting money into food storage. :)
Obviously, buying ahead does need to be done with thought and care, to avoid waste.
yes but..
If you are trying to keep your stock...you are always completing it,adding or after a while you will have to invest in one go.
I have 30 years of married life with 5 children...I really don't believe it is worth while...my extra money is doing much better on an account that makes "babies"( as we do not pay taxes regarding the little money that comes in our house, we can have this special saving account that has a rather high level of interests...)
Being prepared
I somewhat addressed this topic in a piece that I wrote about a month ago http://www.northofthe49.com/blog/?p=361 I do keep extras of a number of items on hand, but without refrigeration, we would likely only have food for about a month and it would not be a balanced diet, at that. I only keep on hand that which my family will eat...canned beans, canned veggies, and canned meats (other than a few cans of salmon and chicken) are not part of that. We far prefer using fresher ingredients. With a power source to maintain the freezers/refrigerators, we could go a lot longer.
As you mention, we can not always rely on access to grocery stores to provide for us. Trucker's strikes, bad weather, or emergency situations that could require you to shelter in place, if even it is only for a few days, can occur. A back-up food supply can also be helpful in the event of a job loss, something that is becoming more common these days. Not having to worry about your food situation during difficult times can allow you to use your energies in other areas and bring comfort to your family.
Even the government recommends that people store supplies ahead for emergencies. In the event of a disaster, it can sometimes take three or more days for help to reach an area, even in this day and age. Many of their recommendations for emergency preparedness can be found here http://www.ready.gov/
For anyone who feels overwhelmed with stocking up, there is a good piece located at http://www.avertdisasters.org/html/72_hour2.html that tells you what items to purchase over the course of a 24 week period to build up your emergency supplies gradually.
Great discussion topic. I look forward to reading what others have to say.
Michelle
Survivalism
I'm a Survivalist.
That doesn't mean I'm crazy. It means that there are more tornadoes this year than average by triple. It means that there are more food shortages in the world than normal by six times. It means there are already more forest fires and heat waves in the states than normal. It means that foreclosures are the highest they've ever been, unemployment is the highest in three decades, that the gas prices are more than double what they were a year ago, and that the hurricane season is starting and is forecasted to be really bad. The hurricane in Myanmar and the earthquake in China have left millions without homes and food, and have claimed tens of thousands of lives.
Being a survivalist means that you see what's happening and you adjust to it. FEMA used to say that every family should have three days stores of food. Now they've upped that to 6 months, at least - a year would be better. Did you know that yesterday a report was released that the US food stores have been sold to other nations to the point where, all that's left would give each American family a half a loaf of bread... PERIOD? That's not good!
And that's not all. If you're a Bible believing person, you know that things are prophesied to take place in the future, and that Yah doesn't tell us these things so that we can blow them off. It says "he who endures to the end will be blessed". You can't endure to the end without being smart, without preparing for what you know will come.
We have a responsibility to our family, ourselves, our Creator, and our country to NOT be a burden that the taxpayers will have to shoulder. To take care of the land, to not waste, to be resourceful. It's not being chicken-little to set aside for lean times, it's being prudent and smart.
If, indeed, there is coming a time of trouble (whether merely an economic depression or a Great Tribulation), it would be foolish NOT to prepare for it.
Personally, I see Solana's 7-year ENPI as the covenant with many, and that we're already in the Tribulation, which is why we're seeing a global increase in quakes, disease, wars, and financial upheaval (not to mention food shortage), but I know others have their opinions (or lack thereof)... but for me and my house, we are Josephs. Taking stores from the prosperous times to have for the promised lean and troublesome times.
Having A Balance
I just wrote about stocking up a little at a time on my blog. I, too, believe it is wise to stock up for many of the reasons stated and believe it can be done frugally as well as with wisdom.
Is it wise to not have more than a few weeks worth of food in your home? If something bad did happen, would you and your family become desperate to survive? I don't believe in being an alarmist, but I do think it's something that we all should be doing to help best provide for our families.
The key is having a balance. Don't become a hoarder, but don't dismiss having a pantry to fall back up either.
Just my thoughts.
Lyn
http://spendingsimply.blogspot.com
Why do I store some food
Why do I store some food products basically because my dh is a commercial roofer and we live in Ohio, we get snow it is hard to roof in snow. So for about two to three months in the winter he is unemployed (unemployment payments only go so far, barely paying for our utilities) so I stockpile some food items for winter usage during that time period (if the winter is mild they will work and since he is the only person on the crews that is near the town that is reliable he gets calls to go fix leaks during that time too but that is not always steady income). I tend to stockpile flour, sugar, meat (frozen), toilet paper, dog food, butter (because when our stores have a sale it is a big sale I stock pile enough to get to the next sale), coffee and personal supplies (deodorant, feminine hygiene, etc). We use our tax refund to make up the difference during this time for food, gas, etc. And I try to plan our medical reimbursement for November ans we use that for Christmas presents (we have already spent the money for the drs, scripts, etc already anyway so the reimbursement goes for Christmas stuff) Since we home-educate our children we do not have to get fancy stuff for their lunches just to keep up with the others in school. ;) Dh takes his lunch to work too and we eat leftovers for lunches around here.
My pantry is well stocked and so are my freezers. We have a deep freeze that dh picked up from the road and fixed for us (love having a handy hubby!) Our church recently started doing something close to an angel food ministries type of thing (not through angel food though) and the food is great I ordered the basic box and two other ones and it will fill the freezers again and feed us for a month or so (with stuff we will eat!) I do splurge on organic milk, eggs and some organic veggies but I balance it with my own garden for produce (made alot bigger this year!) and the food connection at our church (their only qualification for the food connection is that you have to be someone who eats food no other qualifications!) As with anything balance is necessary!
I store food. My goal is to
I store food. My goal is to have a year's worth. Members of our church are encouraged to store food, but besides that, it's just common sense. Do you really want to be a slave to the whims of the market and the possibility that the grocery store will always be available to you? Food storage can help not only in case of emergency, but also in unemployment or economic downturn.
That said, I like to be cheerful and not think about all the what-ifs. "If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear."
Mrs. Mordecai
http://be-it-ever-so-humble.blogspot.com
(I just posted our food storage room today)
Hedge against emergencies
I had a very well stocked pantry. It can really come in handy!
In April, my husband lost his job very suddenly and unexpectedly. He was fired after whistleblowing about supervisors using drugs on site. Then, he got a job- several states away. Suddenly we had to move across country with no income! (Thank goodness for that stimulus check).
In all the turmoil, my pantry was my friend. It had an abundance of food (dried beans, several kinds of flours, etc.), and now we HAD to eat it since we were moving! It really helped to cut our grocery bills down, and helped our spirits to still be able to eat things like cake.
We had so much that we ended up giving THREE boxes of food to our church's food pantry when we left town.
Prudence is a virtue, also, and it is prudent to have enough food so your family won't starve if you can't make it to the store one week!
BTW - lentils and rice makes a GREAT shelf stable protein rich substitute for ground beef in almost all recipes (except meatballs)!
http://milehimama.blogspot.com
I just do not know any other way
I was raised in a large family, and we always had a "supply" put aside. When there was a sale we bought cases worth. I am not confortable in a home that does n to have a full larder.
When I was first married and moved in with my husband, he could not understand why I was sort of "nervous" or whatever it was. But I later found out that when I had our Pantry stocked with staples, I calmed down...
LOL
Pretty much all of our food
Pretty much all of our food in Alaska is shipped up here. At the moment, we eat lots of food from the store. There are no local sources for flour, that I know of, or beans. We can salmon every year, and we have a garden, and we buy at the farmers market every week-when they have it. This is the first week we will have greens there, and they will cost 5-8 dollars a bunch. It was 10 dollars for a gallon ziplock of salad mix. I just got an email saying we will have local lettuce for 5 dollars a head. So, it's very hard to be frugal and eat locally. I know Alaska is a different situation than down in the lower 48, though. I'm off track though. Yes, I think it's important to store food, though I am never sure what the appropriate amount is, and what that really looks like. I know we wouldn't starve if we were to have no access to food. We know how to make a pop can and rubbing alcohol stove, we could boil water, and eat rice and whatever we have in the pantry. We have a few cases of canned salmon. It wouldn't be fancy, but we wouldn't starve.
one more thing. at the rate
one more thing. at the rate of inflation, you are saving money by buying at current prices and storing. as gas prices rice, so will food.
More on Food storage
Since we're on the subject, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing how you organize your pantry (with pictures, please)? I am in need of some good guidelines here, as my pantry is a complete mess! Everything is just put where there is room, and then it is hard to find later. I have seen many nicely organized pantries, but no practical how to's.
Thanks!
I store some things
just for practical reasons. It helps me save money in the long run if I buy it cheap and use it later. I like to be able to know we would not starve to death if the truckers who truck most of our food in here in the north, went on strike.
this is also why I can my own food, I freeze food and buy in bulk because it is cheaper and means I do not have to go to the grocery store as often which saves on gas.
Food pantry
I grew up in a family that kept an extra pantry down cellar on shelves. We also had a 25 cubic foot chest freezer for good deals, we gardened and home canned. Fast forward and I do the same. I even converted the linen shelf of my first 2 room appartment into a pantry closet. Using cpns and stockpiling when items are on sale saves and does provide a sense of security. Should one of us lose a job, we'd at least eat well-that's $450/month right there,for our family of 6, and this is including cleaning, paper and personal products. I easily have 6 months worth of food on hand.Its an edge against inflation, it reduces required gas trips out to the store. Why pay $1.99/18 oz jar of p butter when it goes on sale at least 2X's /year for 99 cents? Stockpile what you will use until the next sale comes around-record prices paid and the date in a price book and you'll soon see when the sales come around. This affords me greater variety in our meals: if I only have $40/week out of $100 to spend towards meat, I'd hate to spend it on regularly priced meats: 1 9 lb roaster chicken at $1.69/lb ($15.21), 1 lb ground 85% lean beef @ $4.49/lb ($4.49), 1 lb ground turkey @ $3.99/lb ($3.99), one 4 lb bottom round roast @ $3.89 ($15.56)=total of $$39.25! I'd much rather pull the following from my freezer: roaster @ $0.79/lb, ground beef @ $2.19, fround turkey @ $1.49, roast @ $1.79. MY prices are $18 spent on meat! THis allows me to further stock up, and later, to incorporate a more varied diet. I am certain that I will ALWAYS stock up when I hit a deal, it just makes sense. If something is outrageously priced, we use our stockpile, or substitute until it goes down. My kitchen is gutted for a remodel (do it yourself) and I have a "kitchen area" set up in the dinette. I have a shelving unit set up, but am also using a hall linen closet for regular dry goods. Canned and jarred goods are down cellar. With few exceptions, I do not have to grocery shop until at least Sept. Sure, we'll run out of fresh milk, juices, produce, but the berries, and garden is coming along. : )
Queen Stockpiler
"Going to the grocery store and buying food (or even having the money to buy food!) is not a guarantee"
Boy, isn't this the truth. Having endured two layoffs this year already, both of which were complete surprises, sometimes, you have to choose between feeding yourself or paying the rent, paying utilities so you don't freeze, or putting gas into the car.
I'm a rabid stockpiler, although I only cupboard about three or four months worth of the products I think I'll use. Cereal and milk are both tops of my list (milk is freezable). Cheese and eggs (both freezable) get piled up. Meat, definitely, especially whole-roaster chickens, which feed me for a week. Also, things like condiments. They're cheapest now, in the summer, and so I buy enough to last me a year. Bread is freezable (although, I prefer making my own, honestly), butter, too, and I usually at least stock a few bags of frozen veggies in the freezer as well.
Frugality is about creating a comfortable standard of living providing for you and yours while saving as much as possible. Yes, stockpiling is a good thing for family economics, but it's also a good idea for emergency planning (take the ten pounds of rice I have in a bag in my cupboards or the cans of beans) and future tight budgets.
As to the issue of storage, with proper planning and a little flexibility, you can create storage for yourself and still save money on groceries that you would buy anyway. Looking for unused nooks and crannies around the house (I know a woman who keeps extra packages of diapers under her couch) that can be utilized.
Middle ground
Yes, I do have extra food. I live in an earthquake prone area with one bridge out. Also, when I find a good price on something I stock up. I do try to keep it in balance though and give away all that seems "too" much extra. I trust in God to fulfill all my needs so I try to walk that middle ground between smart and hoarding. I do remember what my mom said about the middle though. Your likely to be squashed!
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I would love to hear more about what to store? How do you plan to prepare stored food in the event of a major power outage or water shortage? How do you store water without also harboring bacteria?
More about food storage
What to store -- certain grains store better than others, so visit some of the links I gave in my post on Tuesday to learn about what others store. Wheat seems to be the most popular thing to store, since it keeps well and has lots of nutrition!
It's also best to store the things that you eat on a regular basis, so that you are constantly eating from your storage and can rotate things as you replenish. :) Storing something you don't like or want to eat isn't as practical... :)
I actually prefer canning/dehydrating/dry storage rather than relying too much on the freezer (i.e. electricity). Freezing is GREAT and wonderful -- but I also have known people who have lost a lot of food from their freezers when either the freezer went bad or the power was off for a while.
Water shortage -- I don't know. If there was a drought, there wouldn't even be rain water to collect! :|
We keep about 18-20 gallons of drinking water on hand. We rotate that, so it doesn't get too old. I have heard of people storing water in big barrels (with bleach in it, maybe??) but we don't do that.
If you want to learn more, go to Google and you can find lots of info!! The forums I mentioned in my Tuesday post have a lot of info, as well. :)
My grandparents lived
My grandparents lived through the Depression and so tended to stockpile food, even when there were just one or two of them to feed. So my parents did, too--gallon-size glass jars of lentils and dried beans and rice and flour, a second freezer, a root cellar for homemade canned goods. So I find myself doing the same, just for the two of us--buying an extra can/box/bag when things go on sale. Now we're moving in less than two weeks (with four weeks' notice in total) and hubby doesn't want to move food, so we have some to use up and the rest we'll donate to the church where I was working. I only had to buy milk, bread, and a couple of other things at the store today.
My friend Kim always jokes
My friend Kim always jokes that when the world ends she's coming to my house, because she knows there will be plenty to eat. : )
I'm not a survivalist, just frugal. If I can combine a sale with a coupon and get a good deal, I'll stockpile some extras. No point in paying full price if I don't have to! Once the pantry, freezer, and my extra cubbyholes are overflowing I'll skip the grocery store for a few weeks and put that money into savings instead.
I have price caps on what I'm willing to pay for certain groceries, and stock up when the price drops below that cap. For example, I won't pay more than $1 for a box of cereal, and after this week's CVS sale I added 13 boxes to the pantry. That will last us until the next good sale.
I discovered years ago that without good organization I don't know what I have on hand, and waste money buying what we already have. Creative use of storage space helps.
-Laundry room cabinets store extra cleaning supplies, cereal, coffee and soft drinks.
-Bathroom has plenty of storage for towels, so the hall linen closet holds toiletries and feminine hygiene products, sorted into open boxes by type.
-Under the double sink in the master bathroom holds toilet paper, paper towels, and ziploc bags.
Save
I stock up on stuff so I don't have to goto the store every week. It saves on gas and time. If I need something at Walmart it normally can wait until there is a list. I buy milk when it is on sale and just give someone a cup and freeze the rest. We have an extra fridge so that takes care of the extra veggies and fruit. If something is not on sale at Krogers I normally don't get it. I shop Adlis most of the time. I use to get my pineapple at Pharm I don't know what I will do now. They use to have a 39 cent sale once or twice a year. That was sweet!
Teresa
Storage is a good thing
I've begun storing food within the last 6 months or so. It's the smart thing to do. With a hubby and two children to feed, I want to know I have enough food to sustain us should there be any food shortages, natural disasters (we live in an area with hurricanes) etc. Being prepared is a GOOD thing. I grew up poor, so I like a bargain. Whenever there are good sales, I will stock up on things we eat (soups, mac n cheese, water, cereal, you name it). I have a big pantry, tons of cabinets and also have begun adding to the shelving I have in my laundry area. We have about 12 gallons of bottled water on hand (American Red Cross suggests storing 1 gallon per person per day). I keep a gallon of bleach beside it as well (read how to clean the water should it become necessary with a TBS of bleach).
Sometimes the hubby will joke with me, but in reality he knows it is smart to be prepared. We have an extra fridge and freezer in the basement and plan to get a generator (in case we were to lose power, we could still run the heat and those with the generator). This past winter out in the western part of our state they had really bad ice storms. People lost power for weeks (burst pipes in their homes, had to live out of hotels etc because they were not prepared). Not to mention the prices of generators sky rocketed out there (and they sold out quickly too). I wouldn't want to be put in that situation and so I store!
It is always best to have a
It is always best to have a storage of food on hand. you never know when you'll need it.
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