Liz wrote to me and asked,
I would like to try [your challah recipe], but was just confirming that I'm suppossed to use all-purpose flour. Also, I have only been baking for several weeks and unless a recipe states to use a specific flour like bread flour or cake flour, is it correct that I'm supposed to always use all-purpose?
Hi, Liz!
Yes, I use all-purpose flour for my challah. Bread flour would work, also. Bread flour has more gluten (and I'm not sure what else) and makes a more elastic dough. All-purpose (white) flour makes good bread, but for whole wheat bread, it seems like the extra gluten in whole wheat bread flour helps a lot.
I've only used cake flour a handful of times, as with pastry flour. I like to keep things simple, if possible! In my pantry, I usually keep all-purpose flour, whole wheat flour, and gluten (to add when needed). Those are my staples for most baking! :)
My basic "rule of thumb" for flours and baking is that whole wheat flour can generally be substituted for half of the total amount of all-purpose flour in the recipe, without much change to the texture or taste.
Would any of my readers care to share what kind(s) of flour you keep on hand? What do you use the most? :)
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Bread Flour helps out with Whole Wheat recipes
I keep whole wheat flour, all-purpose, and bread flour on hand all the time. Yeast breads seem to really like that bread flour! It can be expensive, so I stock up when it's on sale. I use whole wheat flour anywhere I possibly can, where the texture is already appropriate for it, like in muffins, quick breads and grain dishes. I agree with Tammy on the half and half rule of substituting whole wheat flour for all-purpose. This gives consistent results.
However, it gets even better than that! One trick I have discovered lately is that bread flour can allow you to use more whole wheat flour in that situtation than you normally would. For example, I have a favorite muffin recipe and a cookie recipe which call for 50% whole wheat flour. Instead of using 50 wheat and 50 all-purpose, I can get away with using 75% wheat and 25% bread flour, because the bread flour seems to have an "airiness" effect on both. I am still experimenting with it, but I love being able to use more whole wheat flour!
Freshly ground whole wheat
Freshly ground whole wheat flour and all-purpose white. I use wheat more than I use white simply because it is so much healthier. I use Spring wheat, so it is lighter than hard red winter wheat.
I use half all-purpose/half
I use half all-purpose/half whole wheat when I can. Hubby isn't crazy about whole wheat but he'll eat it now, he wouldn't use to. Anyway, my very favorite flour is oat bran! I love the flavor and Lee doesn't mind it half as much as whole wheat so it is a great compromise for us :).
flour
We keep hard white wheat berries, some red ones (white are better for bread, IMO), whole wheat pastry flour, wheat gluten, cake flour and AP flour.
Cathy
I use fresh ground whole
I use fresh ground whole wheat as well. For cookies and pastries I use soft spring wheat and for breads and such I use hard white wheat. I never liked whole wheat flour when I bought it at the store....It was always bitter. Fresh ground is yummy. I have had good success subing it for white in most recipes : ).
Flour
Hi Tammy. I use fresh ground whole wheat and fresh ground Kamut flour. The kamut is very very similar to white flour taste & texture; however it is much healthier and oh so delicious. I even make my cookies with all Kamut. My husband was sweet enough to buy me a grain grinder after the birth of our first child and I must say it was so worth the money and time it took to save it. Enjoy all your recipes!
God Bless!
Suzeq
My flours
I like to bake bread - although less of it gets made during the summer - but a breadmachine helps with that a bit. I have one of those put-it-together pantry things that hold my baking stuff, so I'm lucky to have room for a lot of stuff.
I keep bread flour, AP & Whole Wheat (usually white wheat when I can find it) and all 3 of those are King Arthur Brands. I know they are a bit more expensive, but I really do like their flour (making bread once for company I used up the flour I had (Pillsbury I think it was) and made the other loaf with KA - it rose a full 2" higher than the other one)
I also keep White Lilly's Self-Rising flour on hand when I need to make biscuits in the morning and I can't think. I will sometimes make my own self-rising - but I use White Lilly for the flour, and it costs the same if I buy it already SR. I also keep semolina and cornmeal around for pizza and bread doughs (I've not made my own pasta yet, but I use the semolina in my pizza dough sometimes.)
I did buy some Whole Wheat pastry flour, but I really don't bake sweets that often, and we're fine with the heavier feeling of reg Whole Wheat that I haven't bought it again. And I do have cake flour around, but once again I don't bake desserts often so it's not really used that much.
Wow, I have many flours
Lately I've been using lots of whole wheat flour, after read and trying recipes from the King Arthur Whole Grain Bakers Companion book. I bake nearly every day, and like to mix up my grains. So I have these...
Whole wheat (traditional, white, and pastry)
All purpose, bread, and cake flour
Spelt, Rye, Oat, Barley, buckweat, and brown rice flour.
Lastly, I have blue corn meal.
If these count, I also have wheat germ, bran, and oat bran.
I like to eat lots of whole grains, as they have more flavor than the refined kind.
Same here
We use the same as Tammy and rowanrose. We have ap, ww, and cake/pastry flour, but almost everything is made with half ww and half white. When we have ground ww (as opposed to the store-bought kind), we use that but a little less than half in the recipe.
Kathleen
Flour
I actually have trouble with your recipies because I don't know what flour to use! In Australia, we have 2 types of flour, self raising and plain. SR flour is used in baking... cakes and stuff, while plain flour is used for pancakes and other batters, and food coatings etc. where the food does not need to rise. So when you say all purpose flour, which do you think it is? We don't need to add baking powder or baking soda to to our self raising, but by adding those to plain we can 'make' SR flour. Have I confused you? :D If you could help out, I'd be most greatful.
Jenny
I've got several kinds in my
I've got several kinds in my kitchen: whole wheat, all purpose, self-rising, bread, cake, corn meal, and buckwheat. I use self-rising almost exclusively for biscuits and bread flour every time I make bread. We have several good local mills around my area, so that's where I get my buckwheat and corn meal flours. I agree that I like to use King Arthur flours as they do seem to be better quality and yield better results than the standard big brands.
For Jenny: I think all purpose is just plain flour. It seems you've got it right. :-)
Flours
Thanks for all the input here, everyone!
Shelby, oat bran sounds interesting! I will be keeping that in mind, as Joshua doesn't always enjoy the flavor of 100% whole wheat. :)
Jenny, I will answer your question in a post soon. :)
I keep hard red wheatberries
I keep hard red wheatberries and soft white wheatberries on hand here. I also have a bag of white all purpose flour. Up in my cabinet now I have a bag of bread flour, because I wanted to see what it was...It makes a good bread but I get the same results from ww flour.
May be stupid, but I'm new to using wheat flour...
Hi Tammy,
When you say your rule of thumb is to use 1/2, do you mean then that if a recipe calls for 2C flour, you would use 1C whole wheat and 1C white??? I just wanted to make sure that you didn't mean that you cut the flour needed in half...again, probably a stupid question, but I figured I better ask before I go wasting a bunch of ingredients! thanks.
Julie
Substituting ww flour for white
Yes! :) You got it right. :) And that's my general rule for breads. Some muffins or cookies, I use all whole wheat flour in place of the white. It's really just us experimenting and discovering what works best for us. :)
breads
Just wondering if you ever made any breads with oat flour or brown rice flour and /or spelt that has no yeast. I'm having a difficult time finding one that is any good?
Thanks
Cindy
yeast-free breads...
Hi, Cindy! :)
Actually, I have never cooked with oat flour, brown rice flour, or spelt... so I'm afraid I haven't any suggestions for you! Sorry! :(
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