All About Kefir!

Homemade kefir

I've been enjoying making my own kefir, and am excited about sharing it with my readers here! Kefir is very nutritious, and making kefir is extremely easy. I'm so thrilled about such an affordable, healthy "treat"! 

What is kefir?

Kefir is fermented milk (pretty much any kind of milk can be used*). It looks like a somewhat curdled milk, or a runny yogurt. It can be bought at a store or made at home.

What are kefir grains?

Kefir culture or "grains", which are used to make kefir, look like white, semi-clear cauliflower florets. The kefir culture is referred to as "grains", though it shouldn't be confused with the ordinary sort of "grain", which usually comes to mind.

Kefir grains are a combination of yeasts and bacteria, along with some sugars and proteins.

Kefir grains aren't "made", but rather grow as they are cultured.

Kefir grains in a jar

How is kefir made?

Kefir is made by combining kefir grains with milk. The mixture is allowed to sit at room temperature for 12 hours or longer; the kefir is then strained and the grains are used again. The resulting fermented milk is the kefir!

What does kefir taste like?

Kefir has a soured smell, and tastes very similar to plain yogurt. I think it resembles buttermilk after about 12 hours of fermentation, or a runny sour cream after 24+ hours of fermentation.

If you like yogurt, you will like kefir! Even if you don't particularly care for plain yogurt, there are still many yummy ways to enjoy kefir. :)

Why should we eat kefir?

Kefir has all the great health benefits of yogurt, and MUCH more! Kefir is full of probiotics and vitamins. It's also easy to make and easy to digest (the yeast in the grains feeds on lactose in the milk)!

Making kefir

How do I make homemade kefir?

Making homemade kefir is very simple! For every tablespoon of kefir grains, you will need a 7-8 tablespoons of milk (about one cup total, with the grains).

Just place the milk and grains in a glass jar, cover loosely, and store at room temperature, out of direct sunlight, for 12-24 hours.

Strain, and enjoy your fresh kefir! (Kefir will keep in the refrigerator for months!)

Add the grains to fresh milk, to make another batch of kefir. It's so simple and quick to make homemade kefir! (More detailed instructions and photos about making your own kefir can be found here.)

What are some ways to eat kefir?

Some people like to drink plain kefir. If you like plain yogurt, you will like plain kefir.

A common way to eat kefir is by making a kefir fruit smoothie. The kefir adds a creamy tartness and, of course, lots of probiotics and extra nutrition!

Kefir can also be used as a substitute for buttermilk, sour cream, or yogurt in various recipes. This can depend on the recipe and how long you've cultured the batch of kefir, since the kefir gets more tangy the longer it cultures.

Personally, I don't care for plain milk or plain yogurt. I have never enjoyed drinking milk! I've tried drinking kefir, even very mild kefir, and I can't stand it.

However, I love making fruit smoothies with kefir! I've been putting kefir on my taco salad instead of sour cream (think: quick and easy buttermilk dressing!). And since homemade kefir is cheaper than yogurt, sour cream, or buttermilk, there are endless ways to use it if you want to get creative!

Making kefir

How can I obtain my own kefir grains?

To make kefir, you will need to obtain some kefir grains. A tablespoon is enough to get you started making kefir.

The easiest way to obtain some kefir culture is to get some from a friend who is making kefir.

Here is a list of people who either sell or give away (sometimes free to local pick-up, or just for the cost of shipping) kefir grains. (You have to email the individuals through that webpage for details.) 

Try to obtain kefir grains, not just a "starter", which is sometimes sold. Kefir grains can be used "forever", whereas "starters" can only be used 7 times or so.

I got my grains from a very generous friend-of-a-friend. The grains have tripled in size during the past 4-5 weeks I've had them, and I've gone from making one cup of kefir each day, to two. Soon, I'll set aside a "back-up supply" of grains. Then, any excess growth can be passed on to others. You can  listen to a short podcast about my kefir beginnings here.

*Many types of milk may be used to culture kefir, but kefir grains that are cultured in non-mammalian milk will cease growing. Consider using your excess grains to culture soy milk, rice milk, coconut milk, etc.



Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2007-05-20 07:19.

Tammy, thanks for this explanation! I had wondered what kefir was. Since people say grains, I was thinking barley or oats. I make my own yogurt from starter or from packets of powder. Then I drain it for sour cream.

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2007-05-20 11:17.

You're welcome! I know, kefir was very confusing to me at first, too. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2007-05-20 11:10.

We make kefir also. Only we make it differently, if you take raw (must be) milk and let it sit at room temperature for 24 hours, it becomes thick like yogurt only a little more jelly-like. It tastes like plain yogurt, my mom makes fruit smoothies with it and it is delicious. :)

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2007-05-20 11:17.

So you make kefir without the kefir grains? :) Wouldn't that just be soured milk? I've never had raw milk, so I'm not sure exactly what it does. It sounds like yours gets thicker than kefir, since kefir is runnier than yogurt. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2009-05-16 18:16.

It's similar to kefir, but it doesn't include all the benefits that kefir has as far as probiotic qualities and bacteria and whatnot, ie-- whereas kefir's a living substance, sour milk isn't... but they are very similar as far as consistency and taste

Submitted by Christina on Sun, 2007-05-20 14:45.

Yes, you make it without the kefir grains. No, it doesn't go bad. If it was store-bought milk it would. The milk cannot be pasturized. It gets thick like yogurt, so no it isn't runny like kefir. I have had kefir(made with the grains) also. If it is bubbly on top it is bad. It should be clear like glass. And you must skim off the cream. (It can't be homogonized either).
When you pasturize the milk you not only kill any bad bacteria but also the good bacteria that is necessary for digestion. We live in a farming community and no one pasturizes the milk. One farmer told my mom when she first moved out here from the city that the day he had to pasturize the milk before he drank it would be the day he would do something else for a living. :)

(That was me that commented before, I wasn't logged in.) :P

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2007-05-20 19:56.

Well, I understand that the raw milk doesn't "go bad" when it's left out, but I don't think it's technically kefir just because it's left at room temperature (without kefir grains to culture it). ;)

Kefir, yogurt, sour cream, buttermilk... all of these things are somewhat similar, but not the same. They may taste or look alike, but they have some different properties. :)

I'm not sure if you're referring to the kefir or the raw milk being bubbly or needing to be clear on top, skimming the cream, etc... My kefir separates as it cultures, of course, with the clear part being the whey. It is slightly "stringy" (like yogurt) when I pour it into a bowl. And I use milk from the grocery store, so it is homogenized. Obviously, it would be even healthier with raw whole milk, but that's not an option for me right now. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2007-05-20 18:46.

I've been wanting to make yogurt for awhile, but am not clear how to go about it. We've recently been getting raw milk from a local farm, and I know it would be more beneficial and easily absorbed by the body if we turned it into kefir or yogurt.

I love reading your website, Tammy! It gives me lots of ideas, although we try not to use much dairy or white flour.

So, would kefir grains work on powdered milk? Because that's what we normally use, since it's cheaper.

Thanks,
Anna

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2007-05-20 20:25.

Hi, Anna!

I haven't made yogurt, though I've heard that it's very easy, as well. :)

I'm not sure if kefir can be cultured in powdered milk. I'm guessing powdered milk would be probably a last resort of milk choices, since it's usually fat-free and about the farthest thing from raw/fresh milk. I did some searching, but didn't see anything saying whether or not it was okay.

Thanks for your comment, and welcome, by the way! :)


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Submitted by VickyO664 on Sun, 2007-05-20 20:28.

Tammy, thank you for the wonderful post on Kefir! My dad was hospitalized 4 years ago for a near-fatal accident and was on large doses of antibiotics. I purchased some kefir from a local health food store as a probiotic source for him. It was quite pricey, but he enjoyed it and I purchased it several more times during his 3 month stay. I have not purchased any for myself since then, but I have been curious nonetheless. I was thrilled to find 2 sources not far from my parents, so I thank you for passing along this information!
You are such a wellspring of knowledge. :) I hope to get into cloth diapering, but since I work for a major consumer products company and get most diapers for free (and my husband stays home and prefers to use disposables), we are on this path for now. But I think it's better for the environment and for babies to use CDs. I will have more questions for you in the (near) future, I hope!! :)
May God bless your week, Tammy - thank you for the ministry you have here!
Vicky :)


Submitted by Shoshana on Mon, 2007-05-21 07:42.

Just yesterday, (the day I think you posted this) my husband and I went to see some friends in another state. My friend offered me some of her kefir grains and even though I had heard about kefir I did not know anything about it really but brought them home. How surprisingly wonderful to come to your site this morning and find instructions! I cannot wait to try. Thank you!

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2007-05-31 13:40.

Vicky, thanks for your comment! :) You'll have to let me know how it goes if you get some kefir grains! :)

Shoshana, wow! That is really amazing! :D


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2007-07-05 23:45.

Thanks for all of the info. I just have one question. How do you store the grains when not making kefir? Or do you just continue the cycle and use the grains everday by making kefir continually? I saw that you said that you can freeze or dry them, but is putting them in the fridge okay? How about leaving them at room temp? In the jar with the lid on?
Thanks,
Kristen

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Submitted by Tammy on Sat, 2007-07-07 21:25.

Hi, Kristen! :)

You can make kefir every day, but if you get tired of it or need a break, there are several ways to store the grains. One way is to put the kefir in a jar with the normal amount of milk used to culture the grains, and put the jar in the fridge, loosely covered. The milk needs to be drained and replaced once a week. If you won't be able to replace the milk every week, add extra milk for each week you won't be able to tend to them. (e.g. for one tablespoon of grains, put 1 cup of milk for one week, 1.5 cups of milk for two weeks, etc.)

The grains can also be frozen or dried, as a back-up supply or for future use, but that is more for long-term storage. :)

Hope this helps! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2007-07-06 11:19.

My local health food store sells dried grains in a small package. I also like yogurt but not milk. Perhaps I will give it a try.
Lela www.xanga.com/lmcs79

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2007-07-26 02:47.

*waves* Thanks for Kefir 101! This is lil_irish_lass from LiveJournal...I asked about kefir and two different people referred me here. :D And it was worth the referral, what a great write-up! Now I feel much more confident (my first batch is culturing right now) :)

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2007-07-26 22:21.

Hi, Melissa! :) I'm glad the photos and instructions were helpful! I'm sure your kefir will be great! It's one of those things that's SO simple, yet there's a lot of information out there about it... and it can be confusing (at least, it was to me!) unless you've seen someone making or it tried it yourself! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2007-09-07 10:30.

Hello!
I am so glad I just found your site. I am new to Kefir but I have been playing around with it. Oh, boy it makes the best smoothies.
I have been told that it makes REALLY good sour dough bread also (although I have not made it just yet.)
Well I have to comment because I am new to Kefir and I am really enjoying playing around with it.
I have a list of things I want to try. I have been told you can make a vinegar with it also so that is next on my list.

Thanks again for such a well done post on Kefir!

Dora Renee' Wilkerson
http://bricoreandfamily.blogspot.com/

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2007-09-09 16:25.

Hi,

I love the idea of making my own kefir. If I wanted to make 2 cups of kefir per day how much milk would I use per day? Thanks

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2007-09-09 20:12.

Use about 2 cups of milk (and about 2 tablespoons of kefir grains) if you want 2 cups of kefir. Since the grains are strained out of the kefir and used again, the amount of kefir you end up having is the same as the amount of milk you used. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2007-09-11 18:56.

Tammy,
I'm wondering how long kefir will keep in the fridge.
Sometimes I get on a "kick" and keep making it faster than I'm using it. What do you think?
Thanks!
Donna

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Submitted by Tammy on Tue, 2007-09-11 23:48.

Donna, you can strain out the kefir grains and store the kefir in a container in the fridge for "a long time". Supposedly for months, though I haven't kept any that long myself! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2007-10-05 08:27.

awesome!
ive started drinking kefir early this year and i think it rocks. lol... this site is really cool. ive been thinking of things to make drinking kefir more "fun" and this site really helps! thanks!=)

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2008-01-11 15:09.

I don't know if you can actually mess this up or not. I just tried to make kefir for the first time with yogourment kefir starter using ultra-pasteurized goat milk and the directions on the back. It never curdled even after 48 hours. It just got thick and sour smelling. Do you think it is safe to drink even though I left it out that long?

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2008-01-13 22:57.

Hmmm... my kefir doesn't really "curdle", at least, nothing like cottage cheese or something. It does get thick, but not as thick as yogurt.

Your 48-hour kefir is probably safe to drink (some people actually like culturing it for longer than 24 hours!), but I haven't had any experience with kefir "starter" -- which I think is the limited-use version of kefir grains, and can only be cultured a certain number of times before "wearing out" and then you have to purchase more?? Real kefir grains continue to grow as they're cultured and actually multiply.

The only other thing I can think of is that if you're using kefir grains, sometimes the first couple of batches of kefir taste funny when made after switching kinds of milk. For example, if I was culturing my grains in cow's milk from the store and then I gave you some of my grains and you started using them in goat's milk, the first few batches of kefir would be different as the grains "adjust" to the different milk.


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2008-01-21 17:35.

hi Tammy!

I'm curious you mentioned making soy, rice and coconut milk. How would one go about making it? My family and I can't digest cow's milk that well so we drink the alternative.

Jules---too lazy to sign in lol

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2008-01-21 19:07.

I hope I didn't skim over it lol. Would it be made the same way?

Are there soy grains etc? I'm truly curious now!

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Submitted by Tammy on Mon, 2008-01-21 22:48.

Hi, Jules!

I've never made my own soy, rice, or coconut milk, but I'm sure a Google search would yield some directions and instructions on making your own! :)

Kefir grains can be cultured in various types of milk. The same grains are used, whether one is culturing cow's milk, goat's milk, soy milk, etc. The result would still be called "kefir", but made with a different kind of milk. :)

One of the differences, though, is that kefir grains cultured in non-mammalian milk will not continue growing as they otherwise would when cultured in milk from a mammal. :) 

Hope this helps! :) 


Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2008-01-22 18:24.

I misunderstood you Tammy, I thought you meant you could actually make soy, coconut and rice milk.

Sorry about that! Makes total sense that you could use an alternative milk.

Thanks for the info!

~Jules---I still need to login!

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Submitted by Tammy on Tue, 2008-01-22 21:01.

Well, I know of at least one person who makes their own soy milk, so I'm sure there is info out there on making your own... I've just never done it myself. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2008-01-31 14:44.

I took some kefir with me when away from home for a week. I thought I took one with the grains. I found I hadn't. It was just kefir. So I drank half and added milk to it every day and it kept making more. It got just as it does when I make it with the grains. Would it have had the same culter properties?

Thanks......Donna

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2008-02-01 14:58.

CULTURE properties!

Donna (again)

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Submitted by Tammy on Fri, 2008-02-01 15:48.

Hi, Donna!

My guess is that the kefir (without grains) can culture the milk (for how long, I don't know!) but I have no idea just how different it is from milk cultured with grains. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 2008-11-05 14:36.

Can you make Kefir from store-bought Kefir? If so, can do you end up with Kefir grains this way? Thanks.
TM

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2009-03-01 01:56.

You can not make kefir grains from kefir. "Kefir" is milk that has been cultured by the grains. The grains are strained out of the milk and then you have "kefir" and the grains are re-used to culture more milk!

The only way to get kefir grains is when they grow/multiply. See the pictures -- they're white/clear-ish bubble-like things. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2008-02-02 15:48.

We belong to a cow share program 9 months of the year and get raw milk. I just thawed one gallon that I had frozen in October and thought that I would try making kefir wih it. I got the yogourmet kefir starter which calls for heating the milk to boiling point before innoculating it with the culture which had been added to a small portion of the cooled milk beforehand. It has been sitting for more than 24 hours and has not curdled. Does frozen milk make a difference? The yogourmet calls for 2% milk. This is whole. Could that make a difference? None of your threads mentions heating the milk. I didn't use a thermometer. Maybe it wasn't heated enough? Would appreciate some feedback. It seems like such an easy thing to do.

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2008-03-02 19:53.

Ooops, I think this comment slipped through the cracks, and I never answered! :|

Honestly, I don't know much of anything about the kefir "starters" except that they are for a limited number of uses, and it's much better to have actual kefir grains, which continue to grow.

And, I'm not sure about using milk that has been frozen... I haven't read that it's okay or NOT okay...

Sorry I can't be of more help!  


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2008-02-29 09:55.

Dear Tammy,
As to this: "kefir grains cultured in non-mammalian milk will not continue growing as they otherwise would when cultured in milk from a mammal". How long can I make kefir from excess grains in rice or oat milk? I understand they stop growing in such case, but do I need to simply throw them away after some time or...?
Thank you,
Sandra

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2008-03-02 20:04.

Hi, Sandra!

I'm not entirely sure, since I've only cultured kefir in dairy milk, but I think it takes a long time for the kefir grains to stop "working" if you just use non-dairy milk. You could always keep a few in some milk so your supply (of grains) doesn't vanish, and use the rest in the rice or oat milk, and see how long they last! :) Like I said, I think they last a long time still... I'd keep using them until the grains seemed like they weren't really culturing the milk much...


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2008-03-24 20:42.

I was interested in the comments made about the kefir without animal milk.
A friend gave me a kefir starter (not the grains) which had been made with organic store bought soymilk.
I have continued to use the organic soymilk to make the kefir now for 3 months with no diminishing of the quality of the finished culture.
There are no visible kefir grains in the finished product but the soymilk thickens quite nicely.
Would you know why this still works and if it is as good as the product with the grains?

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Submitted by Tammy on Mon, 2008-03-24 22:15.

Honestly, I have no idea! I have never used/drank kefir made with starter...


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2008-04-07 03:44.

Tammy:

I really enjoy kefir, and drank it often while pregnant (although I could never quite stomach the plain stuff! I used it for smoothies, or drank it flavored!). I'm breastfeeding now, and my daughter shows a distinct sensitivity to dairy. I know that kefir is more easily digested -- is this just a lactose thing? Or would it actually affect the protein (which, in my understanding, causes the sensitivity)? Any idea whether kefir will affect her or if it would be ok to try?

Thanks!

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2008-04-10 11:46.

I am not an expert here... I have heard that kefir contains less lactose (little? or none? I am not sure...) and is easier on the stomachs of those who are lactose-intolerant. I'm not sure about other dairy sensitivities...

Anyone else have any input here?? :) 


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2008-04-10 09:19.

I have been away for 2 weeks and the kefir definitely smells bad. Can these grains be "rinsed" and reused or do I have to start over?

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2008-04-10 11:49.

I don't know for sure, but here is what I would do if it were me:

Rinse the grains with some good water (distilled or else boiled) and put them in fresh milk. Change the milk for a few days and see if they get back to "normal"!

From what I have read, the only danger of leaving kefir grains in the same milk for too long is that they have nothing to "eat" and they die. As long as the grains haven't "died" then they should be fine, even if they were in some rather icky milk for a bit.

I haven't tried this first-hand, though. But if it were me I would try to salvage the grains before just getting new ones... :) 


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2008-04-20 10:45.

Hi Tammy,
I was given some grains last week, put them in a jar and added organic milk...3 days later about, I went to drain it off, half of the mixture had separated into clear whey, the grains were in tact, and I strained off the kefir, still leaving a lumpy runny mixture that looks like lumpy yogurt or sour cream. Did I screw up this batch? What should I do with the runny lumpy mixture?
The kefir is not as thick as my first batch?

Thanks for your response.

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2008-07-17 23:37.

You can still use the "runny lumpy" kefir if you like the taste! It's pretty difficult to truly ruin kefir, aside from heating the grains or not changing the milk for many days or something like that. :) If it were me, I'd keep on trying and see how subsequent batches turn out. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2008-06-24 22:58.

I thought I'd mention that I make dairy kefir for my children every day, but am not drinking milk myself. So what I do is whenever I get some extra kefir grains (as they multiply) I rinse them well and use them to ferment fruit juice. I did try rice and soy milk, but found that it gave them such a sour, curdled taste. bleck. However, the probiotics will still be in the fruit juice, so I can have the probiotic benefits too, even if I'm not drinking milk.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2008-07-17 22:05.

Hi,

First time at this web-site. Will the yeasts that grow in kefir aggravate someone allergic to brewers yeast and nutritional yeast flakes? I have no apparent allergy to yogurt, but was not sure about kefir.

Thanks

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2008-07-17 23:34.

I'm not sure about yeast allergies, but I know kefir is similar to yogurt -- in taste and content -- though kefir is reportedly an even better probiotic than yogurt.


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2008-07-24 07:26.

Tammy I took my large grains and put them into my smoothie and just kept a really small grain to start growing all over again. The only problem is the grain is not growing. It is still fermenting the milk and I still get kefiran I believe but no growth are the grains dying or something this ever happen with any of your grains. Thanks for your time. John

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2009-03-01 01:58.

It probably would have been better to keep more than just a really small kefir grain; perhaps it is just growing really slowly, or maybe it is dying -- eventually it would stop making kefir if it really was dying, so I guess if that happens you'll have to get more kefir grains! Sorry! :(


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2008-08-31 08:02.

Hi Tammy, I have been making kefir with grains i bought for about a month or more.

Recently my kefir seperates and is very thick on top and water on the bottom. It looks not like those round grains you show but like flat mushroomy things. What happened and am I going to kill us drinking it? i keep about 4 tbsp in 2 and a half cups of milk and change it 24 hrs.
Thanks in advance,
Dawn

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2009-03-01 02:12.

In my experience, when the kefir gets thick on top and separates, that means it has cultured longer (say, 24+ hours instead of 12) or with more grains.

From what you said, it sounds like you are using 4 T grains for 2.5 cups of milk -- you could easily increase the milk amount to 4 cups for that amount of grains!

The shape of the grains -- sounds like normal changing growth as they reproduce. If I saw a picture of them I might be able to give more help, but I am not an expert. :)

I don't think any harn will come from drinking what you're described your kefir to be like -- sounds normal to me! :D


Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2008-11-15 14:19.

Hi Tammy,
My friend gave me a ton of kefir grains in water, but I didn't get around to putting them in milk until about 3 days later (I left them in water in the fridge).
To make matters worse, once I DID put the grains in milk, I left on a business trip and forgot all about them for a week! Ugh! (No beginner's luck for me.)
So...I'm now looking at a quart jar with very tightly clumped kefir-y yogurty stuff at the top, and a clear liquid in the bottom half. Is there a way to save the poor kefir? Or do I need to bite the bullet and tell my friend I botched it?
Thanks for your help!
Laura

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2009-03-01 02:38.

My suggestion is to keep using the grains and see what happens... maybe they'll revive! :) From your description of the jar ("a quart jar with very tightly clumped kefir-y yogurty stuff at the top, and a clear liquid in the bottom half") it sounds like they're working! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2009-02-19 19:38.

Looking for a non dairy/corn kefir starter. Does any one know where I can buy some?

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2009-03-01 00:53.

hello tammy,

have been making kefir for many years/ periodically have a question/
do not know how i missed your site/ it is one of the best/ (simple & direct)
have a few problems which need some clarification
1 – one site stated that after straining the grains should be washed – yes or no?
i have never washed my grains
2 – after straining how long can kefir be kept in the fridge?
3 – it is stated that the grains should not touch metal what about the kefir?
4 – it is stated that kefir should not be heated but can it be added to porridge?

thank you for your help
k

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Submitted by Tammy on Sun, 2009-03-01 02:46.

1 -- No, don't wash the grains. If you really must, you can rinse them with some cool, distilled water. Otherwise, just strain the kefir and add the grains into some fresh milk!

2 -- Strained, loosely covered (to prevent pressure build-up) kefir will keep in the fridge for "a long time". Not sure exactly how long that is -- I've heard reports of it being 6 months or longer. Whatever your taste buds can handle I guess! :P Personally I wouldn't keep it longer than a few weeks, but that's just my preference.

3 -- Kefir shouldn't be stored in metal since it is acidic and can/will react with metal.

4 -- Kefir loses some of its nutritional benefits when heated, but it can be heated, used for cooking, etc. safely. We love kefir pancakes! You can use it like you would use yogurt, sour cream, buttermilk, etc. as it seems fit. It won't have all the benefits of raw kefir but it's still healthy and good for you! :)

Hope this helps! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2009-03-14 17:48.

Hi New to site. I am wondering is there any way to make the Kefir thicker? I am just starting to experiment. I have only bought already make Kefir milk in the store. I will be starting my first patch at home this evening. I am trying to increase my mothers health. She is undernourished and doesn't eat anything. she has been put on steroids in hope to build her body's immune system. But she doesn't eat. She does like yogurt like things,so I am going to get her to try Kefir. Thanks Kelley

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Submitted by Tammy on Sat, 2009-03-14 23:57.

Kefir will get thicker if you culture it for 24 hours rather than just 12; it won't really get very thick, though (it's more like a runny yogurt). I am guessing that if you wanted something thick, you could culture it until the whey separates and then strain off the whey and just use the thicker, white part for what you wanted...


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2009-03-15 16:24.

Thanks that makes great sense! Also was wondering....I have only Kefir starter(first batch going now)...not the grains. I am having a hard time finding some to purchase. I have e-mailed a couple of people in my area but haven't got a response back yet. Any ideas or help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks Kelley

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Submitted by Tammy on Mon, 2009-03-16 07:41.

Hi Kelley,

Several people wrote to me and said they were having difficulty getting a response for purchasing kefir grains, so I started this post which links to a couple online sellers and sellers/buyers can leave their contact info in the comments... this was posted a week or two ago so you should get a good response if you contact someone listed. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2009-03-15 16:55.

I tell ya, every time I need information for my homemaking, you're ready with the answer. My kefir grains just died and I really wanted a new one! I do a google search, and here you are with the database. Your bread feeds my family every day, and we are so loyal to your pizza crust it's actually funny. Bless you bless you! ~Emma in Seattle~

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2009-03-15 21:40.

Is it possible to make Kefir by adding a cup or so of store bought Kefir to a gallon of milk... Sort of the same way that people make Yogurt? Is this possible? Or do you need the grains?

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Submitted by Tammy on Wed, 2009-03-18 16:31.

To make "real" kefir, yes, you will need the actual grains or else a kefir "starter" which is a powdered substance that will only be good for a few uses, rather than growing and increasing and lasting "forever" like real kefir grains do! :)

Whether store-bought kefir added to some milk will start to culture the milk as well -- perhaps, but it won't really make kefir the same way that grains would. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2009-03-16 06:38.

Hi just found your site and very informative it is too.
I've been using Kefir for 2 years now in both Soya and cows milk with out any problems but I have noticed that within the last few months the cows milk kefir is becoming quite slimey. It tastes ok so I can only assume that it is. Can you tell me if this is a normal reaction and what if anything I can do to remedy it.
Thanks Lyn.

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Submitted by Tammy on Wed, 2009-03-18 16:33.

Not sure on that, Lyn. Perhaps you could try rinsing your kefir grains in some cool (not cold, not hot) distilled water to see if that helps; I assume the ratio of grains to milk has remained consistent during this time so I'm not sure what else it could be. :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2009-03-21 14:17.

Thankyou for your comments, I'll try rinsing the grains and see what happens. The grains to milk ratio has remained constant so I assume that's a good sign.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2009-03-26 16:26.

Just started making kefir with our goat milk. I also make feta and other soft cheese and wondered if I could use the kefir in place of the buttermilk to make my cheese. Have you or anyone else tried this?
Donna

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Submitted by Tammy on Wed, 2009-05-06 20:59.

Hi Donna,

I haven't tried using kefir instead of buttermilk as a cheese culture. I'm sorry I don't have any more info on that for you! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2009-04-20 16:12.

I just received some grains in the mail. I have been out of town and have no milk in the house. I was wondering if I could use evaporated milk until I get to the store tomorrow?

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Submitted by Tammy on Wed, 2009-05-06 21:01.

I'm not sure what the evaporated milk would do to kefir grains; if it were me I'd just hold off until the next day when you said you would have milk for them. :) You could refrigerate in the mean time though! :)


Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 2009-05-06 15:14.

I have the grains in the fridge with the same milk (1%)for a long, long time. Now I am worried about Listeria, Salmonella and other bacteria that can be dangerous for our health.
I am a senior affraid of getting sick.
Thank you for your help.
Frida

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Submitted by Tammy on Wed, 2009-05-06 21:09.

How long is "a long, long time"? :)

With food, it's usually best to be on the safe side... Here are some ideas for where to get more kefir grains, should you decide to toss your old ones and start fresh. $10 + shipping will buy you some fresh grains on Etsy...! :) (I am not that seller and do not know them personally at all.)


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2009-05-07 15:20.

Dear Tammy:

Thank for your answer!

At least four months ago was the last time I cleaned them.

They look and smell OK.

What is your advice?

Frida

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Submitted by Tammy on Thu, 2009-05-07 15:42.

If they look and smell okay, I would say to rinse them off with cool (distilled is best!) water and put them in some fresh milk. If the milk doesn't turn to kefir, then, they're probably dead.

It may take a while for them to work up to the speed they were before though. So, I would recommend leaving the milk for 24-48 hours and if it doesn't seem like it's cultured at all, put on fresh milk and wait again. If after a few times it's still not doing anything, then they're probably not going to revive.


Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2009-06-01 21:13.

Hi,
I just started make kefir and i have fresh grains put them in milk and on the second time around i fished out the grains with a metal spoon not thinking that i shouldn't. Is my Kefir going to survive or are my grains dead now????

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 2009-06-24 12:01.

Hi there,
someone gave me some culture in oil - she told me it will keep for a long time in oil. Now when I'm ready to use them, do I strain them and wash them with distill water or can I use then right away?

Thank you for helping,
ll

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2009-06-28 16:45.

looking for kefir coffee cake recipe. Thanks

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